says i would say the level of competition is very high, and i've, i feel like, you know, for the most part, it's a level playing field. fill on this and thank you so much for speaking to us today . my pleasure, kate. the this week on the 77 percent street debate, we used to be forced to speak english. why we we can from becky ground of speaking . so here we have seen race and in so i really do you, do you lose? your identity is simply by learning another language. when i speak english, i church mckinsey, which means i have to leave all my coaches behind body fun barely me to, to, to, to do not get new phones with my father. hello

and welcome back to the 77 percent. this week we are in one of my favorites, which is in africa. there is the lump tons of media. now, did you know that the over a 100 languages spoken here and yet so he remains a national language. in fact, tons of media until recently was only one or 22 countries in africa to have that as well. today we are asking why is it that we choose these impose languages when we have so many to choose from who but the 2 assets, then some fellow tons and he is. and i just want to start to be a general question, rachel. and by the way, i know we're having this conversation in english, which is the entire point of this debate. so just by show of hands, how many of you speak more than 2 languages? at least to a more languages? that's almost everyone on the panel who speaks of these 3 languages, at least really well, at least for ok. so let's start with you. the last man who is a student here in terms of the yeah, he's actually from. 5 from diana. so

a club. so what languages do you speak? so i speak english now decide you alex s b. i kind of a cheat analysis this house because the so for language id, so how many languages do you speak? 2 languages, which ones are they in english? okay. so is it normal for most times and he has to be speaking at least more than 2 languages are going to be forward as it is, but i think, yeah, usually the standard 2 is usually defended, but most often it's one say, okay, so when we think tons of media normally, the 1st thing that comes to mind is just the beauty, but also the use of this. what he language, can you tell me how he became so prevalent in this country historically? i think it's due to just the history of so he, of the cost has been the place to bring people together persians or hands of the european so. so a healy was the only literally the language abroad, this people together. so you'd have an arrow because the ceramic approaches

disclosure who can speak to the offers. so they had to form a language that everyone would understand and that's how so he was mortgages. i some of the phrases. some words is what he makes around. the corps are kind of like it or at least and so, and so over the years kind of builds up that way. so they've been tribal wise, you would have as a mentor language, you'd have some phrases in this drive. also mimicking some phrases. and so obviously it's a concerted efforts not just by the politicians, but also the people of times any of to speak. so he be right. but obviously this has also brought some challenges for them on because uh well many people just speak like you've been not entirely able to communicate with the rest of the blow, right? yes, one of the people defended us. so he from the background, from the original smartphone, people who are like, you may be going to school with idea i got to need it's lynn english regardless. okay, so talk to me a little bit about how it is in terms of mia every, let me speak to you because you're a teach at

a private school. the language of instruction is ideally supposed to be useful. healy until you gets to secondary school. am i right? i see that 2 options in the private sector. that is where english is mostly spoken as the medium of communication, waiting. the governments which i have is mostly spoken as the medium of communication. so that gives a chance for most events, keep running the language and gets used to eat some of the groves, but when they reach 70, when did they get to secondary? suppose that is when they sense using one language and that's his english as the meat of a communication isn't this difficult though? i mean to have that super high transition support. tell me about the experience. it's really difficult because know when a child is speaking my, the mother language associated and then they used you being to use another language in english. it's really hard for students to build up with 2 languages. yeah. so it's really has, right. so i'd like to ask the question to someone who has a ph. d, or is doing a pc? is what healey? yeah, it's an adult,

something we have language is honestly along this is i looked at along with this one here to friends and the kinds of language. and do we have lots of limit lots of language as much as much as we can. but when it comes to the language of instruction, for my opinion, i think we should, the instructor will usually do each student to you're using their language. what do they know? and before my side doesn't, yeah, i think it's a bit just white white sway to because it's knowing if the student loan to the teacher is not available. so ditching using and the kind of language it's me is uses pop, those who lose a lot of energy and i'm telling you. so we looked us to the do phase and just kind of given to just been not most of just as long as you're not coming to because you're raising your hands there. also, like i said, over a 100 languages spoken in this country. so what's the place of those quote unquote, by the time actually that the other things uh, basically how do you use in tribes,

okay. and therefore it's likely happens to be the mainland with business looking and respectful. and for that reason, each unites us brings us to give us some settings and that is way too is way we've spoken in, in this country. yeah, i also wanted to speak about this and see shipping from the time able to stick with that isn't usually there's some, had she during the 1st 2 years because the kids or the people has to try to transform. he won't have so language. but if i see you so that they can cope up with the education and oh, that's okay. but the sub to years, they usually on the same level because the set speaking on at even control themselves in education building on the english language. okay, maria, i work in publishing, so we see a lot of people who are i'm not degree days. so you have someone who's graduated from college who really reads per year. and, and this is almost always, that should be due to the fact that they only have to learn english in um, in, in seconds. or they only have had to learn. so he's in maybe only primary and then

they have to abandon it. so by the way, before we get too far, i just want to tell our audience that there's been numerous studies that have been done with support. the fact that early childhood learning is actually better if done in a medium of instruction that the child understands. let me hear from you as most of these on countries and these people are trying to get to that actively based on the why that's language become very so in order to enforce that interaction, we mean 1st linux, the language, i say english language size. if someone came for me being that idea, now south africa for reason is bodies in rather fact as with any doctors. ok. sure . so during that, this is a really interesting point. she's brought up, which is where the hierarchy of language is. right. so he said that when it comes to business at home, speaking to your people, help on a pallet you use this way. but when it comes to business, english is the preferred language. why? and so he's also in the official language. in most cases we are bundling language. so he, when switching for job searching for the, for the opportunities,

you must know english. you also speak. so he has such a national language, but it's does it actually help you to move to the higher levels when he was searching for different opportunities and the sway as my m. c. there, when we moved from the frame, i live a, we do a bundle, you know, a long. okay, so we're talking about abandoning the language and yes, the people who i think top dollar to learn the language. lillian, here is from zimbabwe and she's doing a must of him. so he, so what got you thinking? this is the language i want to use. even of the terms of me as themselves, say, perhaps it's not the best language should be learning at the moment. well say for me i, i saw that you say you, it is getting easier for me. it was kind of thing. let me just say that i'm the mother solicit this like a tiny bit as well. okay,

congratulations. yeah. so i assume that this language is free to give me explain to people police force because they now but was, was setting to then it's use this to me specially to this is being forced to them to. so he is one feeling with the suspending, assessing that well they didn't tell you needs the chinese you're teaching the germans year teaching. what would that go for those languages? folks who don't have anyone who's speaking now would say just to to go for keith. why he is also in a 15 language up. that's an interesting what you've used for 2 lines like you need . do you think that we are hosting of the africans to use the national, the native languages, the, the african languages. so healy has always been new, will africa, you know, it's links people together. i think what's happening right now, even with the say being the them, the language of a you and in the ac is that we understand that it links the voice more than

a language is a culture. so being african people relate to. so the healey speakers because you relate to the culture in itself. well, just the language. yeah. so but mario, we were you being honest with ourselves? yeah. if i'm just be quantas to be, as i can kind of really want to make fun of tons of me is because of your proficiency of, of what he, i mean of english, we internalize the self page so that we judge people based on their ability to just be a board language. let me have some thoughts the far right. because oh yeah, yeah, go ahead. i would have to say uh in since then, you know, when you speak english, it's when people look at you like you're intelligent and honest. 6. so he, oh, when you can speak english, there was look, actually didn't go even thinking english foolish alcohol is like you're for cuz you don't know english. so it's, it's, it's really, i don't really get it. i was these uh we take speaking english as, as being intelligence. well, why is this the language? everybody can just you didn't,

can you come in any language and can be what it doesn't? doesn't really matter. yeah. yeah. really. yeah. what is it just to, to research on the highlight your language actually, but with kind of the change, we actually have writers just that is we have english and then we have showing that they haven't did that. so now like english is being until white because it's the medium a from the same day for the whole country, we don't have like additional language which is our own downwards. we only use english to send me, you know, communication safety metric, someone from another ethnic group and you said present can speak english to kind of slow. yeah. kind to me. so we actually have such pay like this, but me a 2nd to just come to evelyn, i read that teaches us sometimes horrible to students who don't speak. so he who employs the and shame as a tool to try and encourage them to learn. is this true to you see what happens is as my friend said, that english is being termed as they say,

the news of intelligence you see and not speaking english. you seem like you, you're an useful. okay? and that is, that becomes a very big for me in this kind of just moving as okay. and my advice to the government, they think since they decided to have these 2 sections that we have, they have the schools and private schools. i think we should also continue events on the $600.00 level because that will give an option to of a tutoring. started with the site, the language to keep on using it. and perhaps they will do it better. yeah, for i shall i still you really shaking your head when i asked about this shame question. uh oh good. did you have an experience in secondary i remember when what school there was a room to speak english. and if you don't speak english for the day, the punishments and everything, so normal punishment like, you know, you will call, you know, 650 a couple of speak to get a couple of 6, you know,

punishments in there. so we had really to, to call using english, try not to speak with you at all. oh wow. well, day from wanting to evening. maybe later on in the, the waning and there the dummy free. that's why you were sick. so he a little. yeah. uh, but i mean this must not be good psychologically for anyone who's trying to learn the language. right. let me hear from you. see, we used to be forced to speak english. yeah. of why we we can from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen raised and in, so i healy, so you region secondary school and find yourself that you have to speak. you'll really need to speak english as your best language. so we're getting confusion at the end of the day. you know, because the teachers, they, they, they, they, they the, the, the school they haven't explain why what, what are the importance of

a student to speak this english but vehicle seeing you at the end of the day, you have to speak english for monday to do it evening, then you find yourself, you're hungry. you are here and you are ending up hating these things school english. so i really like what you said about it even makes you, you know, sort of don't want to learn english into a 7th degree. yeah. but when we draw so healey, as you say, or when we don't see it as valuable, what do we lose as a society? when you don't seeing swahili or if you don't write in swahili, what do we lose? of the culture. we lose our stories growing up. we, as you know, tons onions, historically we being started have been passed down to us by your oral traditions or like we have grandfather's grandmother sending us stories. and so he but then you have someone who now has to abandon home to go to school where they're no longer being told go stories. these are he then no longer reading it is really the

no longer right jesus or he, you, you, you lose your identity. i was actually think all these discussions going on. there's a sort of like a cultural erasure that's happening where people forget who they are. so you, you find yourself unable, i'm actually a victim of that unable to, to relate and connect with your own language. so that loss of identity comes across. as you recall, it sophisticated because you learn english, you able to communicate internationally, but really is a loss of self and in the identity of who you as a person and really should say to really be seen cause. so someone said here when you to them most students who are not really pressing very good because of the area and then we don't get a lot of people that sell professional in many areas like in industries, i learned a movie and us and everything. so we were, you find that we have to get another people to come over to do our stories,

to rachel books, you know, to make our film to do everything for us this way. she said we are losing our own stories like who are raised on. so if you can speak for yourself and because you don't have a long which is on, so let me hear from, you mean the like would be a c, h would that makes leaving your language assigned. and let me someone makes use of the items where they can use them, but i think it would make to quite sure things retain late right now. for example, the bullet, the, you know, mary doreen. yes. yes. to do that. and the bearing of the dates, those are the 2 quotes or things which i know right now. but all of the things that we're doing, big things like it for us. okay, we don't to anything. but do you, do you lose? your identity is simply by learning another language, or is it because because, i mean, i speak multiple languages, right? i have not stopped being i, q queen or kenya and, or an african. well,

the problem is that when you live along which, you know, sites, it's like the people who the language like when the problem comes. so when i speak english, i say to just like an english person, you know, 18, they can do this. this is, i have to leave all my cultures behind and it's like this one i am learning about, right? so let me ask last month, then when you started learning, what can you do find yourself making decisions that were different from say, perhaps if you're speaking a lot, by the way, when you dream, what language do you dream? and i think that seems right now and even speaking that kind of the house side kind of looks like so. who's that? yeah, let me ask the rena here because when i'm looking at the 1st industrial revolution, everybody using the digital space as what he is saying, he will be presented, but not enough, right?

are we losing out on perhaps making leap and bones that's active because we just love speaking the language is uh, we need to localize the tools. we need to localize the content so that they can be accessing swahili language. i mean this way we can be able to save a lot of wage and to make sure that this generation stands in plain language. i would say that's remaining isaac bottles picking our local language. we just make technology for us because of technology, the money market for sticking a movie at the future, interiors with the site and dozen yards. alice done that along with and so even, and that was i made me before these this bypass they would yes. transform those technologies for me all along weeks to months. so the fact that that comes for me from an active language, we have being forced to add that technology rather than take longer. this one that i totally get 2 points can be 200 millions because of so healy on the continents.

surely it should be adopted. yeah. so, so i totally get you points. um, so back to you create thing in your mother's tongue. it's like you, you, how does that compare to when you perhaps think right in india, she's an artist by the way, as far as her. so it's really easy when you, when you seem, or when you producing or when you're acting in your model number, because you're being yourself, you know, you would be your living and then you're on scan nothing in there because you're so find out what i mean. and we by you, and we're not going to when a talk with you to him, we by and cannot go to the volume. but he will slide before i can give is that a focus or heating? so the name of because reading is still fun. you that he's the budget is the owner, enjoy the music like, you know, came up with the so many i know for the oh that's i'm castillo, what you're the one you, i'm good. you can still find, i don't know, like how you met test is only 20 likely to sign a few of them. we buy you can we use that you to an excess or are seeing now you

find it? why raffle? ok, i like that. so we need to the piece of the language is because it helps us tell us stories one point going and a big by using the good thing for the. yeah. is that so that those the so slow you think we're not free as a people because we speak these lower languages know i'm a realtor survey, you can see but when i took a week for what is the advice so i'm looking for using english. i'm looking for the button on what to do. maybe i can do the elizabeth fairly well, you know, look as a body slot, a early me to go to the do not get new phones. the my, if i just wonder what to go know, are you how? by the new is i've you change it is i just you saw it on so could you not hear from you for is it bother you have both chevy from the use of the well no words to a mighty folio follow variable. now you've got the model of your to example. could

you look it up like when i'm ready by the us, i have to fucking bodies. what was about we, i think it is possible that you could use a double. yeah. well, you have to, but you modify like in thinking about that is obviously why do you when you know both see oh, i knew as oh, wonderful. just wasn't working. what your rough, why didn't well physics. why do you want more than what is, why don't you, what i want to for force? because these are the is a, can do is a little bit and use this. what do you, what you don't, those are the don't, did you go, did you lose hope you're doing? like watching the please don't to rustle up underneath. there must be multiple drugs. i was wondering is, is that separate a younger couple of them? i really, really love the passion that you are speaking here about, but i think we need some practical steps. yeah. i think, you know, they do well with all the speaking of them. other tongues, perhaps a lingua franca, which is an african language and then english. but that's not the reality today. so how do we shift this thinking?

how do we get more people interested in applicant language? is what people speaking them writing and then seeing them doing debates in them. let's have some ideas. so i think uh, on my side i'll do more localized things uh do you to tools and did you get to contents into our language into so he and this is the very best way to preserve this language. it is the very best way for people to live in the digital spaces. okay. uh you had another point for me which will be our side calling language. we have of the best and whatever we are doing as me and said that we should emphasize using all along. so from there, when we transform them that on, we move them valerie to natalie to not track visions through the counselors. so typically we are doing, we do it through the face of our okay. i like that somebody does. yeah. let's hear from you on the deluxe. really one i see you handle comes, what are you talking about? so he will not only lose he's a he but you also losing out and that's his language is for now we have

a native language. is he does any of that dying, for example, comedy language. lots. most of us know that kind of language. it is from the eastern bunch of people in africa, the 1st language to be spoken and he so he does spoken by 15 countries and not only the east africa, but also into western africa and the central africa, the some country speaking. so he and we have to for once the, he, i to a level that all of the african countries have to speak. so he is defies to them which to be spoken. he ate africa, south africa, the teaching. so healy is, well yeah. they were simply adults of the to the one. let me hear from you final final thoughts. how do we preserve this language? new language is okay. so i think these 3, okay. governments deficient constituents in particular do conference that should work together. government should make the priorities in making us what healey as our main language, but also accessibility to pretend it is. but also the technology company that should have the different access in producing the device or products like apps that should have also put the as late as

a pot of many windows up well. so we have lots of, you know, rates as we have lots of free created this, what it does on it. they have a d s o, maybe they have design sorted. but we have to preserve those with within those ideas because you have to be in the end because even the inefficient yelling you sort of an efficient jelly, they name is still going to move it, but they don't know how to use that man. just sort of got them into the kitchen go solution into can you composition up to get them from watching oscar longer to let me get the last 2 points. these one from you and marian will finish with you agree that the good from lots of, of healing. let us draw up the ideas. that's when you speak english, you'd be looking like your intelligence and wells and everything that has done that our you so i really to go by like you. so i you to get up to speed to see us. why healey miller africa. let's as use it to be sure what the speech of what children that the, the child, what community so that we can promote at multi swahili recording. sure,

thank you so ok, so maria, somebody's in the in addition to everything, as those just said, i think another thing we need to do is also change our mindset on what we su would be a quote unquote commercial. because i think that when the world, if you give the world permission to show you that you're not cortical commercial, the world do show you that. if we are adamant to make content to create books, to, to present our stories in the language that preserves who we are as a people, the world who make room for that, we just need to do it for us. so all of us have the collective responsibility to promote the language is that still the most viewed as to us. and also we have the, we, we, the world will make room for that. if we do it, i like that. i think that's a great place to wrap this debate. we started with the simple question, how do we change this narrative? i think you've given us a really good answer because preserving language is,

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