the the what brought you to russia? what, at what point did you decide to come join this, such a military operation as well? it started in 2014. everybody seen it worldwide, the events and you great. the great size, i call it, which is what it was, right, wasn't no peaceful revolution. the events that followed was the systematic murder of ethnic russian people. and then of course, most of that was called film. it was how to defy that wasn't shown in the mainstream media back home were in the west, but of course i came across it the videos of what happened in odessa, a trade union building with a, the band our on the freshest, locked innocent civilians including women in the building set on fire, killed

a move a khaki where they set buses on fire, killing all the civilians inside of them. that of course, the nets copied moment it from the sky dropping phosphorus. these kind of things will y seen in the videos were plentiful, you know, that originally started the idea in my head, the. something's wrong. yeah. i got to stop and go to help. then of course the idea in my head was i was completed in this simply because my tax money was going towards the arms, which was given to these a binder ice and these flashes. so i couldn't sit the can sit there and take it. and then of course, seeing the testimony of, of the family and the friends of these victims, you know, crying and breaking down and seeing the houses home was destroyed and a burg my how so that's why i decided to call them. i couldn't take it in the, you know, that's just basically it for me. at what point did you decide that you,

you need to come, you need to participate to take part in this uh, 2022. so it was, it was some time before i decided because of course, the idea is these crazy, right? so it took me a while to comes to this was the idea of that's what i wanted to do. but 2022. when the russian involvement happened, and then of course the escalated beyond people's comprehension. so that's when i decided that i was actually going to do it. and i started planning and preparing to come over and fight for the goals. have you ever had any doubts about whether you took the right decisions? i know not as soon as i landed, i mean, i had nothing but a. i mean, the russian people in general of welcome me. i've had nothing but good experiences . and you may, you know, and again,

you missed your family in this home and sometimes maybe those kind of those concrete pin, but actual doubts with me actually doing this. fighting for the dumbass or russia for russians. no 0 though. and i sacrifice the lot by coming over here, but i will do what over again tomorrow. 10 times over, you know, in your opinion, what do you think uh, you've come over as a volunteer. what do you think is the difference between a volunteer and the mercenaries? that come over for the grant inside money. simply i have no idea of, of the concept of money. i volunteered to me was, i was voluntarily. money didn't come into it. and if somebody would come in to the auto state home and earn more money, you know, it was the, the, i do, the simple simple explanation is ideological for volunteer on the russian side. listen, that's my experience of coming across of, of owens is where as you go to the great inside that, that paid celia amounts of money and is obvious that i have for the money or that,

that for the adventure of it. and that, that because some of the psychopaths and they like killing cause in that, that's my understanding of and i don't seem to get that from the volunteers on the, on the russian side from the west. now the british government has been talking about you and others come over as traders to the rich government. what do you think of what they're saying? as far as labeling people like yourself traitors was, is a is a deliberate tactic that's for sure. traits, a woods, assume the are the fights and against my own country, which officially and technically i last because britson, russia, adults, it was released officially, any way i don't know is it deliver employee? i think they want to destroy my reputation. they want to destroy the idea of

a bridge is c, as in, coming over to russia. so volunteer i just think is a load of rubbish. and i think the character assassination of me in the process is to maybe stop of citizens of having this similar, well the same idea to can move on to the same thing, which there is people that do want to do. i know that because i've spoken to people, you know, isn't of a tactic of as anyone find for rusher is going to be a criminal, a drug addicts, and alcoholics for us. you see what they did. so julie inside is just simply for reporting the truth and they live in a sex offender, right. even though he's clearly innocent. so i wasn't above the per se, but he's more when they start doing this kind of card to assess the nation or the psychopaths spot coming out of the woodwork for the difference. if i move i difference, friends of i the for us personally is or is like i was that's back to me. but what kind of mentality is uh, did you run into as far as people in the u. k. before you came over here

for their product of the education system that's for sure. the past 10 years or so . the west has just been in bach and on a very busy course of events. it's ok breaking down the traditional families. that doesn't exist anymore. hardly anyone. i know that parents and the together mothers have got free for kids of free for different 5 as of that's kind of and then the o g, b a q at traditional family values. conservative values, which most people would consider normal and the say a breakdown of that. so these kind of like society is dying or is this become in the most the general say, you know, i see that happening. so yeah, the last 10 years of open, goodell and you can, you can really see it in real time. so that's kind of is that what you mean by your

question? yes. that, that, and as far as this conflict, the people actually understand anything with the conflict that didn't have enough knowledge to understand anything about the conflict, was that most people are so busy and their lives were, can survive effectively. they just watch what they see on tv, read what they read in newspapers. so no, i would say overall 90 percent of people die and counted in the u. k. in terms of the situation in the past, you know, well between russia and ukraine, the eva pro ukrainian, or very the russian is a very nice. so that's kind of what i have encountered. and i don't think it's, i don't think it's going to get that's or any time soon. but then of course you do have that 10 percent which see the reality of what's going on. have you been able to change anybody's mind? do you think you will be able to change anybody's mind as cognitive dissonance? so absolutely no, i can think of one example was minus to change anyone's mind on the if any think

you saw the show and then fax, the slide show and then videos, they go into complete denial. and if anything gas, she probably hobbins the original opinion on being per ukrainian and nancy russian . so now i've not been able to change anyone's mind. so then anyone this kind of a political and they still kind of side with the for ukrainian calls because of what they see on the tv in the newspapers. but as i said, there is at 10 percent like me, which see what's going on. see the, the evil of demonic forces that play in the west. and, you know, as a result, they do support russia, but very seals far between. because if they are actively and openly simple russia in, in the west and britson, you can lose your job, you know. and then of course, you also go a journalist bridges journalist,

when over. so report what happened in this happened it in ukraine. they simply told the truth, they have the houses sees, bank account sees the keys to be in pro boots in stages. so you can't win. you know, that make it live very uncomfortable. if you side with russia or you at least try and expose the truth of what's going on, there's also the, the u. k 4. and listen to that. there's been talk for several of the british politicians about using that to arrest here of the out to say of as, as far as what i think it was uh the, the, the kind of co richard categorized. and i spoke about that in the press. i mean, the one thing i would say to him directly is, i think he needs to worry about the will crime. so he's committed in iraq and afghanistan rather than trying to go my case about the situation. but in terms of that far, and at least when i asked my understanding is if i go abroad and then join the army

of a nation at war against the peaceful nation, the crane, which we all know is a load of rubbish. that technically makes me a terrorist and that's like, the technically makes me a little criminal. so if i were to go back home, i'm under no illusion i'd, i'd be arrested not face a long time in jail for now when you came over here, what kind of attitude did you run into with people see somebody coming from the u. k, to join the russian side in russia. i think uh originally, especially when us for instance, when i went to shift on a recruitment sense, i, one of the offices will ask that me when i produced my brace passport and it wasn't, you know, i don't mean them laugh as in. he was laughing me one into 5 for rest. i think he just couldn't believe or comprehend in his mind that someone from britson have come, move up to fight for them. so i think uh, in some ways is almost like a circus attraction. but then when they realize i'm serious and the actually mine

that for the reasons the russians are fight him. i think he, there the, there is respect that i don't think i haven't met too much. maybe a little bit of suspicion because of the bridge nationality, but then quite quickly, once you get to know these people and they get to know you and they know you left for the right reasons, the russians are the most welcoming and hot woman people. there is, you know, especially in the army, the comrades, you know, i'm a separate russian engineer. so 90 percent of the work we do is reconstruction will conjunction with that that there's 10 percent of us being on the on, on the front lines kremlin. i have in one, i remember when we originally called the kremlin, i a, in the back of the cameras, new canal with the buttons going off for the auxilary. and, and that was quite hairy because that was the 1st. that was the 2nd time. well, you know, you sometimes you question the most highly because of the problems are going off

and these are tailored shells going off for a minute. then then not far. you can feel the vibrations, go free about a free a chest and sometimes and leave you breathless. but the, the one time which was very space. scary i'm, i'm not gonna lie. i'm not used to this. i said, i'm just a simple civilian. was the 1st and the 2nd night the i go into the dumbass account, came on to fire and we had to evacuate that, that's how close they were. so those situations make you question your own mortality. you know, sometimes will tell us if there was one p less than that, you could take away from your experience since you've gotten what would add one keywa some be the it was a difficult question for sort of up with go the spot i i, i don't know if it's, if is it less than per se, but it's finally been able to stand on my own 2 feet and be independent thinking

impacts and wise in terms of i'm able to forge my impasse in life, which in the u. k. i never felt i could as language when a barrier for you. uh, coming from august which is a uh most i speak only english that on the learn a secondary language. is that much. uh, we did the speak russian when you got here. uh, house devolution been uh, as far as communication my, my russian is, is very small. i'm trying to learn the language. i just find it very hard. sartain in my head. she's an ongoing process. i wish that i could be faster at learning the language, but we kind of make it work is, is sometimes it can be challenging initially it was but then of course, you find a way so it was page in english, french and russian sign language. you kind of things, they work out quite quickly and then of course he will spend and all of his time

would you call me or as you can find the common language, there's one thing you could have changed in this whole trip. this whole process that you've gone through would have been i don't think there's anything i would change simply because that it would, over my experience, you know, i haven't had many negative experiences. here is a, maybe, maybe the one thing that i could change is there's been times where the it can be little late, you know, especially with a language barrier naturally. so you may be excluded from half the conversation with people generally if you don't speak rushing to, that's maybe the negative experience, but maybe that as well as you know, you miss you missed home comforts, you know, friends, family, that's probably the only thing that's really both advance, i'm sure no, no, it's no secret that ukraine is in the retreat and then we're moving forward up and down the front. and you cranes desperately trying to move lice people and get more people the front lines. do you think of the, at some point, nato nato troops are going to come in and fight for your grain?

or i think it's pretty clear then they owe troops already the term sheet that comes to mind. you know, when that pulled out of the me, with the intelligence and over. so if they're of a cool and it's plausible deniability for them. but as, as you well know, as with a journal as well. no, that's tens of thousands oppose. you probably got thousands of americans, probably hundreds of british, and then of course, you use go over the train as an instructor's over the, under the guise of, of the training. so that already the but if you're talking the unofficial war what i will, i don't think it would happen. and i think i see in the next proxy would probably be poland. so i think if you're going to have an issue with, with nato i, i, i think they would use problem next, rather than going head to head with russia because they couldn't when, what do you have to say for any other guys that are thinking about coming over 5 for that, you create inside simply open your eyes for one of the evidences there. if you want

to see it. i mean, if you want to go fi, fi, crane, and then they've gone home in a wooden box based on, well, there's an audiology. so i would recommend they wouldn't do such a thing, but of course they've got their reminds and they're going to do what they're going to do. but what, what have you noticed over the last couple months as far as being on the ground moving uh, with the front lines with the conditions and moving forward. as far as i can see, in terms of other than the, the one incident that i told you about where we have to evacuate the kind of bows that was early as a, temporarily temporarily. and then of course the russians and pushed back. so now and again, you might get a tactical withdrawal for a few kilometers, but that's if that's considered a victory for ukrainians and then afterwards they lose that ground anyway. then then, you know, they, they really need some help. but um, no, i don't see any of the pool. i see is victory. you know those areas where we've

been. and then of course ahead of us, the front line troops of completely obliterated the ukrainians where they have to withdrawal. and then of course, what happens then is as engineer as we go forward to make camps and we'll have you . so my, my understanding, my, and my experience is the i the, i see nothing but ukrainians getting push back, considering the possibility that you have to fight nato troops. what do you use your stance on that? are you prepared to meet that kind of challenge, or do you have any reservations? no, none of cool say it's any kind of fight. and what do you put in your life at risk is, is he makes you apprehensive in some ways, especially when you that, but you know, this, this idea of the nato troops and this some kind of secret weapon is going to turn the tide of the war they could all get involved at this point, then that's what i'm going to wind their own muscles. doorstep must i simply why

they was when the find my fellow countryman press say, if i were to come up against the i wouldn't hesitate and i know that sounds again the word trade. so for me comes to mind when people have me say that, but of course i'm fighting for a cause is audiology for me. so whatever they want me to do, i'm going to do to my 1st ability. so now i'm already i'm, it doesn't really bother me if, if i come up against nato troops, per se, is a, and i, this sounds kind of cut. so i was kind of blog a like on the above the base. like i more the here fights and in the war it makes no difference whether it's a ukrainian flag or nato flag, you know. right. understand? well, as far as your family, do you think you're going to any little comfortable going to see you here? are you going to be able to see them again? well, for they want to see you. i've come to, i've, i've come to terms of the fact that all my friends, i'm never going to say again, you know, i can't go home. so any funerals, weddings or policies. so you know,

my children's birthdays, i think as my children get older, they probably would come out and see me in, in russia. and some of my family have said that they want to come and see me in russia. but then of course, saying it and i should do it and it seems different matter. so i don't know as far as i'm concerned, amiga rush and i'm finding new life and it is kind of like i'd accepted the idea already that maybe that might not happen. so i might not get to see my friends or family again. so the british for us labeled you as, as a traitor, as we said before. and they said that your family, this own you. um, what do you say today is how much of that is true? how much of that is a yellow journalism is they call it as well. it is, is partly true, but it's, it's not any information that they've claimed i've been pretty open with that on my say for me to is in terms of um, my, my journey. so to speak, and half of my family have this, i me some of my friends of the so me they would speak to me. and the simple reason

for that is that not really political people, they sit down in front of the tv after holidays work. even then, and they see the news and they kind of believe what they see on that, which is, you know, most people in most countries that's kind of the case. you know, so they've kind of, um, took offense to me coming over here on the list which, which family members and, you know, or which which people are that it is the have to show me. but yeah, i would say over half my family i have to so me, for coming over to russia the, the most painful aspect of it is i now are those see my children as a result? you know, right. i understand the day know that you were coming over it. was it a surprise? it was a fact though it was a surprise. i mean, you probably maybe 2 people knew and they were like personal friends which still supposedly but no one else knew out to be kept. so top secret, because if it was in that, i wouldn't get it out of the country cuz i was detained as it was when i was in

london, apple under the terrorism act. but of course then there was no evidence to that i was doing any wrong doing. so they had to release me cuz of course i was going to rush around the holiday, so wasted. so you are flying the rush on a holiday as far as i knew, and they detained you, or they are under the section 7 entire or is of my to for like 34 hours and then they let me go and i got my flight just in time is that something they do for everybody or is that something that no, you got booked out the crowd. they don't do that to everybody, but of course i don't know why they did it to me may. maybe they were aware of my political lien and that so that, that's basically the only thing that i can think of if they knew that i was pro russian. and then of course i think that was probably the reason they pulled manual into the office. what do you do in while you go in there for these different questions that you were asking me, but again, no evidence of any wrong doing so the on, so let me get on the flight to, to come to russia. and that's why that reducing it. because a single one does not,

or the u. k is not officially a war with the russian. any is in any sense and of the same time you have the freedom to make your own decisions, to, to choose your own side. but you got pulled out because of your readings. i think i think that's probably good. cool. so i'd imagine when it comes to the security services, any british status wouldn't go into russia. and i kind of is, it's kind of going to come up on the system or why they go in that for some, maybe you might get a little investigation into your name. i don't know why they did it, but of course if i was going to key of none of that, what happened? right. which is quite how i run it. it is ironic. is it a uh, what do you say as far as the terrorism that the, the regime and key if that's been sponsor crock, a city other terrorist attacks with a desk or on the, i mean, this is a, you can see with, with the situation, especially in moscow and then of course, that drove and attacks into the russian territory. and then of course,

pop in marketplace is in belgrade cities. the last froze of a desperate regime. i think, of course, is disgusting because there's even some people again murdered in names. and what i'll do, i would like, or i can say really is i, i can them the, and all that's gonna happen is that just going to get stronger response and it's just going to end more quicker to be for. now does any of the come out in the british press, the british people see anything associated with that, with the crock, a city or with any other bombings in belgrade or in the den? yes, belgrade, and that's not really of that. and if they try and blame russia for doing it for them and themselves, it's got the, the, the attack in the, the attack in most go was televised in the west. but of course my, my understanding from people back home is day was, is i make a terrorist that did it. and of course ukraine had played no part. and i suppose in a way, even though i know these things, the west side of the homes is like sometimes that they're in your head. you know?

so i, i come to russian, i think, actually love what they said. this is not true. but if anything comes to completely opposite, it's not only not true as completely fake completely false. an actual fact, i feel free a, in russia than i do in the united kingdom, which may sound bizarre to some people. but to me, that's my experience. you know, you know, and i've heard in my direction, i've heard of the other people that i know from the west that came over there. usually because ation is you're being who you're being pulled around. what you're knows, you're not seeing the real truth. what would you say to that these people to read in newspapers and watching tv. i'm living there, you know that's, that's the difference. you know, i can be very abrasive at times. you know, so if, if there's things that i see that i'm not happy with, i'll say i don't have those experiences with offices combined as a few incidences. when i was unhappy i spoke to them approach them and they

resolved that instantly. so i don't know being hood, wait a few little issues i did have which was minor issues. it's probably not even relevant to the conversation. but my point being is i was able to remedy these situations quite quickly. being hoodwinked. be nonsense. i mean, you know, i don't know what to say to that is this complete rubbish. like if i was being, if i was being rude waiting, so would be doing these interviews? no, great, i'm pretty sure about the press gang to the front and nobody really speaking to me . no, i. this is what they going to say here, eva. i come to russia and suffice for the best buy. i'm a drug addicts, i'm going, i've already come to criminal, you know, this is, this is what they do when it goes when that doesn't work and people can see the investment work and they then start with this nonsense like i'm being hood weights . and next in the papers, bill prints in stage 2 things which you know, they still have not already anyway of those. is there anything you'd like to tell

us anything more before we end the interview? anything. but any message that you want to give to your family, anybody else is going to be listening to this? watching you mainly to the bridge people this a full inquiry and on the government, the support ukraine is, is the last call. see on on line is a law schools x a is, is the wrong cause. you know, you're going over that you'll hear murder and people, people very soldiers which are going over and as of and then i don't know what reasons they may go for doing that. but my, my imagination would, i imagine that it would be money. and the fact that probably psychopaths and they like the idea of go in there to, to find a war. so well they need to do is lay down that guns because they've only a problem. they will no quarrel with russia. how there's no reason for those to fight for ukraine. you know, the fascist regime which opened the simple band our and if they know, believe me,

the people back home. i mean, in terms of maybe watching this or read in the newspapers or whatever, you know for a quick google search will show you the spectrum is a bottom there. and i will show you the ukraine, you know, they have a national holiday after button. there are no just bond arrow, so the of a fascist that with members of the organization of ukrainian measurements. so i think it was cool. do you? and so yeah, there's no quarrel. so i have, you know, i want the bridge of soldiers to put the guns down, go back home. i'd like to thank you. thank you for your time and for your honesty and openness. and for the audience, i think the audience a really, really appreciated which you have to say. thank you. well, i appreciate the opportunity. thank you again the

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